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We understand that some community members are concerned that their TOPPING L30 could potentially damage their headphones or IEMs. Our team has taken note of all concerns and is actively helping our customers. We want to clear the air and share with you what steps we’re taking to ensure the performance of the TOPPING products we sell and the longevity of your headphones and other gear.

The concern is about a terminal electrical breakdown in the amp that could potentially compromise headphones in rare circumstances. Although it’s statistically unlikely for you to encounter this issue with your L30, we want to do everything we can to ensure the issue is alleviated.

As a precautionary measure, TOPPING identified an opportunity to further improve the efficacy of the DC protection built into the L30. Since December 2020, TOPPING implemented improvements to the protection circuit in the L30. These improvements will further protect any headphone or IEM plugged into the L30 from unintended damage, even in the most extreme of failure scenarios. All L30s that include these improvements can be identified by a serial number starting with “2012”.

As of Monday, January 11, all TOPPING L30s sold on Apos Audio will have a serial number beginning with “2012” or higher. This serial number denotes the new batch of units, in which more safety measures have been implemented. If you own a TOPPING L30 with a serial number beginning with “2011” or lower and are concerned about the operability of the unit, please feel free to reach out to our Support Team.

So, Topping admits that a certain batch of L30's is at fault for damaging a number of L30 owner's headphones/iems. However, Topping provides no word in their announcement regarding compensation, or initiating some kind of compensation process, to those owners except for a replacement L30. Doesn't this seem wrong to anyone else here?

No, that would trigger a whole lot of users abusing the compensation procedure. They have said over at ASR that individual cases will be handled. So if you HP or ears have been blown to pieces, just contact them. No need for them to dump all kinds of hypothetical problems on the internet with potential solutions.

According to John Yang [Topping’s engineer] posting on AudioScienceReview, the ESD issue was finally just replicated in their labs, so they’re now implementing a fix for a future version. But that could take a couple months.

It is probably a very minor fix in practice, I don't imagine it to take months, I think ESD fixed units wil be rolling out within 2 weeks. But that's just my guess.

No, that would trigger a whole lot of users abusing the compensation procedure. They have said over at ASR that individual cases will be handled. So if you HP or ears have been blown to pieces, just contact them. No need for them to dump all kinds of hypothetical problems on the internet with potential solutions.

Since when did John_Yang speak for the company? Mr. Yang's statement, which was non-committal, came before the official announcement, the latter which being silent as to any type channel or process being made available for owners whose gear that the faulty L30's damaged or destroyed. So, his superiors may have changed their mind on that issue or Mr. Yang spoke out of turn.

As to abusing the compensation procedure, I would imagine Topping would require users to send their damaged gear to Topping for inspection to determine whether any damage was likely caused by a faulty L30. For example, I cannot imagine someone who owns an L30 sending back an Elex with a dead driver if the problem was previously caused by Focal's already known crappy solder joint that may lead to breakage of the voice coil rather than a burnt voice coil from excessive ESD/DC damage.

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Since when did John_Yang speak for the company? Mr. Yang's statement, which was non-committal, came before the official announcement, the latter which being silent as to any type channel or process being made available for owners whose gear that the faulty L30's damaged or destroyed. So, his superiors may have changed their mind on that issue or Mr. Yang spoke out of turn.

He is the link between the company and the consumers. It's in his and Topping's interest that he is not spreading false information. You don't need a public procedure for a problem that happened to a handful of people. Obviously they will have their specific procedure for those cases.

The public replacement procedure is obviously for people with a functioning L30, which is the majority.

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He is the link between the company and the consumers. It's in his and Topping's interest that he is not spreading false information. You don't need a public procedure for a problem that happened to a handful of people. Obviously they will have their specific procedure for those cases.
The public replacement procedure is obviously for people with a functioning L30, which is the majority.

So, he a representative of Topping? So, anything he says may be construed as an admission by Topping such as the lack of ESD testing equipment prior to the news of the L30's destroying gear and potentially injuring the hearing of L30 users? Hmmm, this can expose Topping US assets [I doubt they have any] and its US-based partners and sellers like Apos to product liability lawsuits if someone suffered any injury that can be traced to a faulty L30 unit.

So, he a representative of Topping? So, anything he says may be construed as an admission by Topping such as the lack of ESD testing equipment prior to the news of the L30's destroying gear and potentially injuring the hearing of L30 users? Hmmm, this can expose Topping US assets [I doubt they have any] and its US-based partners and sellers like Apos to product liability lawsuits if someone suffered any injury that can be traced to a faulty L30 unit.

Such an unpleasant attitude... not trying to generalize, but why do Americans have the word lawsuit in every second paragraph? It's such a tiring attitude. Chill down, you're getting a replacement. They're obviously doing their best to solve this matter. Some guy[s] might be working over nights because of this.

[43] Topping L30 Headphone Amplifier Review | Page 124 | Audio Science Review [ASR] Forum

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Such an unpleasant attitude... not trying to generalize, but why do Americans have the word lawsuit in every second paragraph? It's such a tiring attitude. Chill down, you're getting a replacement. They're obviously doing their best to solve this matter. Some guy[s] might be working over nights because of this.
[43] Topping L30 Headphone Amplifier Review | Page 124 | Audio Science Review [ASR] Forum

That's the reality of the situation. If it were only L30's blowing up or damaging themselves and nothing else, then I doubt there would be as much rancor other than yet another example of QC issues plaguing Topping products. However, here we have L30's damaging other property and possibly causing injury to users due to a faulty product design admitted by Topping. That's when the situation gets more serious. They were selling L30's without a headphone output protect until this past December [didn't they learn anything from Schitt[?!] who just so happens to be a frequent target of Mr. Yang's ire on ASR], and just a few days ago, Topping finally obtained ESD testing equipment. Did this amp pass any safety certifications? If their US sellers were selling this defective product and it caused property damage and injury [worse], then they too can be exposed to liability and left holding the bag [unless there was an indemnification clause in the contract between Topping and those sellers with Topping helping out to foot the bill].

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I was the second person in to report the Topping L30 amplifier destroying headphones. The first person did not "cooperate" as it was put by JohnYang1997 at audiosciencereview. I am thankful that I bought this piece of garbage through Amazon as I was able to get my money back for the Topping L30 amplifier. However, JohnYang1997 said to contact the sellers to deal with headphone compensation on an individual basis. My attempt to communicate with the seller for headphone compensation was a complete fail. I think any attempt to collect ANY compensation on headphones destroyed by Topping will be denied and will likely only waste your time.

I explained the situation back and forth through Amazon messaging system and this was the final response.

From: SHENZHENAUDIO 22:46 01/14
Hi, you did not contact me when your earphone defective. It was pass a half month, the factory can not accept this matter. Thanks for your understanding.

So, if Topping did not destroy your headphones on a date they like, don't bother. Typical Chi-Fi electronics that will destroy your headphones. I should have known better than to buy Chi-Fi. I once bought a Chinese DAC for $500 that sounded AMAZING but died after only three months. I should have learned my lesson then. Well, I sure have learned to stay away from Chi-Fi now.

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I have a Ray Samuels XP-7 amplifier made in the USA that I purchased in 2003 or 2004. It still works flawlessly today and is the best amp I own. Heck, Ray would even sell you one today as they are still available on his website after seventeen years! Quality components and USA made is worth the money.
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You all need to do yourself a really big favour and buy American. If you can't afford a Ray Samuels or other American amp, get a USA made $99 Schiit Magni 3+ or $99 Schiit Heresy. Ultimately, stay away from the Chi-Fi crap. That way you don't have a disposable amp that you will have to throw in the trash. So what if it sounds good for two weeks. You won't have a working amp after that and now even this craziness of Chi-Fi now killing our cherished headphones.

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I was the second person in to report the Topping L30 amplifier destroying headphones. The first person did not "cooperate" as it was put by JohnYang1997 at audiosciencereview. I am thankful that I bought this piece of garbage through Amazon as I was able to get my money back for the Topping L30 amplifier. However, JohnYang1997 said to contact the sellers to deal with headphone compensation on an individual basis. My attempt to communicate with the seller for headphone compensation was a complete fail. I think any attempt to collect ANY compensation on headphones destroyed by Topping will be denied and will likely only waste your time.
I explained the situation back and forth through Amazon messaging system and this was the final response.

From: SHENZHENAUDIO 22:46 01/14
Hi, you did not contact me when your earphone defective. It was pass a half month, the factory can not accept this matter. Thanks for your understanding.
So, if Topping did not destroy your headphones on a date they like, don't bother. Typical Chi-Fi electronics that will destroy your headphones. I should have known better than to buy Chi-Fi. I once bought a Chinese DAC for $500 that sounded AMAZING but died after only three months. I should have learned my lesson then. Well, I sure have learned to stay away from Chi-Fi now.

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I have a Ray Samuels XP-7 amplifier made in the USA that I purchased in 2003 or 2004. It still works flawlessly today and is the best amp I own. Heck, Ray would even sell you one today as they are still available on his website after seventeen years! Quality components and USA made is worth the money.
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You all need to do yourself a really big favour and buy American. If you can't afford a Ray Samuels or other American amp, get a USA made $99 Schiit Magni 3+ or $99 Schiit Heresy. Ultimately, stay away from the Chi-Fi crap. That way you don't have a disposable amp that you will have to throw in the trash. So what if it sounds good for two weeks. You won't have a working amp after that and now even this craziness of Chi-Fi now killing our cherished headphones.

Òh please, Schiit had its problems too and its a Usa company! There is ton of companies that had problems. Most important thing is to a responsibility and Topping did take responsibility.

i have Topping dac/amp for 3 years and it works great.

Such an unpleasant attitude... not trying to generalize, but why do Americans have the word lawsuit in every second paragraph? It's such a tiring attitude.

I think you might be used to the consumer protections in the EU. In the US, it often takes a big fuss with companies, both in direct conversation and on social media, to get companies to take action.

Chill down, you're getting a replacement. They're obviously doing their best to solve this matter. Some guy[s] might be working over nights because of this.

As @sennfan83261 pointed out, they haven't put out a public statement policy for replacing damaged headphones yet. Which suggests to me that they're not. Anyone with damaged headphones is probably going to have to make a big fuss on social media and in private dialogue with Topping to get any kind of action on that. Also, the replacement process doesn't seem to be going well for everyone. Someone over at ASR reported their vendor wanted to wait until they got a bunch of L30s returned before they would get a batch of replacements. So send it back in and wait. And wait. On the other hand, some vendors are making it easy by asking that people destroy them, avoiding the issue the hassle and cost of return shipping. However, I have not heard if they're asking for photographic evidence that the flawed L30 units have been destroyed. Those might just end up back on the used market.

So there's quite a bit here that could be handled better.

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"As you might have heard, besides the DC protection design improvement on the L30 [serial number 2012 or higher], TOPPING has also further refined the L30 to address the ESD concern in rare instances. I am happy to let you know that the replacement unit you are entitled to will include all the latest revisions."

Working with my seller [Apos] to get my unit exchanged. Mine had not exhibited any strange behavior but I was worried about losing not just an amp, but any headphones I had plugged in. CJ over at Apos worked with me to get a replacement set up, as he seems to understand the gravity of the situation. I've removed the L30 from my signal chain and am currently just waiting for a replacement from the aforementioned updated batches. I cannot speak highly enough of the folks at Apos, they've always been understanding and have worked with me quickly to resolve any issues I had.

//apos.audio/blogs/news/update-on-topping-l30-amp January 14, 2021Apos Updates

Update on TOPPING L30 Amp

We want to start by thanking everyone who’s bought a TOPPING L30 Headphone Amp from Apos Audio. We’re incredibly proud to sell this high-performing amp, and it seems that the Apos community loves it as much as we do. We understand that some community members are concerned that their TOPPING L30 could potentially damage their headphones or IEMs. Our team has taken note of all concerns and is actively helping our customers. We want to clear the air and share with you what steps we’re taking to ensure the performance of the TOPPING products we sell and the longevity of your headphones and other gear. The concern is about a terminal electrical breakdown in the amp that could potentially compromise headphones in rare circumstances. Although it’s statistically unlikely for you to encounter this issue with your L30, we want to do everything we can to ensure the issue is alleviated. As a precautionary measure, TOPPING identified an opportunity to further improve the efficacy of the DC protection built into the L30. Since December 2020, TOPPING implemented improvements to the protection circuit in the L30. These improvements will further protect any headphone or IEM plugged into the L30 from unintended damage, even in the most extreme of failure scenarios. All L30s that include these improvements can be identified by a serial number starting with “2012”.

//apos.audio/blogs/news/update-on-topping-l30-amp January 14, 2021Apos Updates
Update on TOPPING L30 Amp

We want to start by thanking everyone who’s bought a TOPPING L30 Headphone Amp from Apos Audio. We’re incredibly proud to sell this high-performing amp, and it seems that the Apos community loves it as much as we do. We understand that some community members are concerned that their TOPPING L30 could potentially damage their headphones or IEMs. Our team has taken note of all concerns and is actively helping our customers. We want to clear the air and share with you what steps we’re taking to ensure the performance of the TOPPING products we sell and the longevity of your headphones and other gear. The concern is about a terminal electrical breakdown in the amp that could potentially compromise headphones in rare circumstances. Although it’s statistically unlikely for you to encounter this issue with your L30, we want to do everything we can to ensure the issue is alleviated. As a precautionary measure, TOPPING identified an opportunity to further improve the efficacy of the DC protection built into the L30. Since December 2020, TOPPING implemented improvements to the protection circuit in the L30. These improvements will further protect any headphone or IEM plugged into the L30 from unintended damage, even in the most extreme of failure scenarios. All L30s that include these improvements can be identified by a serial number starting with “2012”.
As of Monday, January 11, all TOPPING L30s sold on Apos Audio will have a serial number beginning with “2012” or higher. This serial number denotes the new batch of units, in which more safety measures have been implemented. If you own a TOPPING L30 with a serial number beginning with “2011” or lower and are concerned about the operability of the unit, please feel free to reach out to our Support Team.

2012 has DC fix only. ESD problem is fixed at the third version only. 2012 might not be the third version. from the ASR:

1. Topping L30 [serial number 2011 or lower]

- Has the DC problem - Has the ESD problem - In this condition, in rare cases, your L30 can fail and damage your headphone as well.

2. Topping L30 [serial number 2012 or higher]

- Has an updated DC protection system - Has the ESD problem - In this condition, in rare cases, your L30 can fail, but your headphone will be protected. *if your L30 fails and it is within the warranty period, Topping will replace it.

3. [In the future] Topping L30 [serial number 20XX or higher]

- Will have an updated DC protection system - Will have an updated ESD protection system

- In this condition, your L30 will be very safe ...

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Thanks for the clarification on the S/N changes! According to CJ they will only be shipping out the 20XX version [with ESD fix]. I got a little hasty with my copypasta and just didn't read it thoroughly enough. I just want my updated [safe] L30 back lol

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Are most people getting 2012****** replacements or are they waiting for the February update? The vendor I bought from told me they’re shipping me a new unit, so I’m guessing that means it’s one of the current ones that fixes the DC issue but not the ESD issue.

I’m not sure whether to go with that or if I should ask to wait for the next revision.

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Are most people getting 2012****** replacements or are they waiting for the February update? The vendor I bought from told me they’re shipping me a new unit, so I’m guessing that means it’s one of the current ones that fixes the DC issue but not the ESD issue.
I’m not sure whether to go with that or if I should ask to wait for the next revision.

I think you have to decide how prone you would be to shock it with ESD in the wintertime.

You might also want to check if the warranty is on the original date of purchase, or the date you receive the replacement.

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Are most people getting 2012****** replacements or are they waiting for the February update? The vendor I bought from told me they’re shipping me a new unit, so I’m guessing that means it’s one of the current ones that fixes the DC issue but not the ESD issue.
I’m not sure whether to go with that or if I should ask to wait for the next revision.

If u don't get ESD much in your location [eg if your country is more humid], then u can take the risk to just get the DC fix. But I suppose if Topping can get an ESD fix in for their february batch, why not wait a month just to get the latest fixed L30?

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A dumb question regarding the HPA/PRE switch. Does it switch the output between headphone and RCA?
I want to connect both my headphone and speaker, and want to switch between them without having to disconnect the headphone every time.

A dumb question regarding the HPA/PRE switch. Does it switch the output between headphone and RCA?
I want to connect both my headphone and speaker, and want to switch between them without having to disconnect the headphone every time.

That’s exactly what it does. It’s great. I have my 6XX always plugged into the headphone jack and my powered PC speakers plugged into the RCA in the back, and it’s just a flick of a switch to go between them.

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

Won’t be using my pricier cans with this amp for sure. Moved to basement. Ground it and placed it near fire extinguisher.

Headphones: DCA Aeon2C, Audeze LCDX, Hifiman HE6-SE V2, Audio Technica ADX5000, Goldplanar GL2000, Fostex TH-X00 Mahogany, Stax Lambda pro system.
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Amplifiers for headphones: Dragon Inspire IHA-1, SPL Phonitor2, Mofi Ultraphono Phonostage/head-amp, Topping L30.
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Would the 5V "DC" that's used on something like the►iFi Zen-Can Amp
damage headphones the way the L30 does with it's 15V "AC" when this fault occurs.

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HD600 / Ananda / Sundara / HD6XX / DT880 / HD58x

Would the 5V DC that's used on other Amps
damage headphones the way the L30 does with it's 15V AC when the fault occurs.

I’m not an expert but probably not. What’s it,..... a portable?

HD600 / Ananda / Sundara / HD6XX / DT880 / HD58x

Something like the other desktop Amps►iFi Zen-Can that put out similar power but have "DC" 5V

As long as they have some protection build in. Never heard of iFi having this kind of problem but I really wouldn’t be the person to ask.
Shame that Topping put out a product that blows up cans with such a low distortion. Lmao

As long as they have some protection build in. Never heard of iFi having this kind of problem but I really wouldn’t be the person to ask.
Shame that Topping put out a product that blows up cans with such a low distortion. Lmao

lol

i just held off online purchase of the topping L30 after digging deeper into this issue. otherwise the vendor would have sold me an amp form the defective lot. i sent him the topping message to which he replied the new revised unit shall be avail in 1-2wks.

Just received my L30 replacement via DHL..directly from China [bypassing my distributor]. Tested and noticed it doesn't get hot as fast and and high as the previous one. overall impressive response by Topping, which I did not put much hope initially .... I am happy.

Just received my L30 replacement via DHL..directly from China [bypassing my distributor]. Tested and noticed it doesn't get hot as fast and and high as the previous one. overall impressive response by Topping, which I did not put much hope initially .... I am happy.

Congrats! I'm still waiting for my replacement. Is your serial number starting with 2012?

Congrats! I'm still waiting for my replacement. Is your serial number starting with 2012?

Yes, 20126XXXXX. and yes, after leaving it on for some hours... it is still not hot [like the old one] .. maybe warmish... i wonder what have they changed?

Would the 5V "DC" that's used on something like the►iFi Zen-Can Amp
damage headphones the way the L30 does with it's 15V "AC" when this fault occurs.

Depends on the headphone. Into 30 Ohm, you would see 150mA [= 0.8 W]. That could cook the voice coil.

Into 300 Ohms a 10th of the current [and power], which is probably negligible.

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I got my replacement L30 [serial number 2012] today, sent via DHL from HIFIGO and Topping.

No issues so far with one hour of usage, sounds quite similar to the older L30. I used to have a slight channel imbalance with my older L30 at low volumes, seems to be fixed in the new release.

I voted with my wallet despite the warnings - the L30 is cheaper than both the Atom and the Heresy here in Oz. The reseller has assured me that their stock are 'brand new' from Topping, and given the impact CNY has on deliveries from sources outside Australia, I wasn't about to argue. Delivery times are a crapshoot here in the Top End, but 27 deg C and our sole active COVID case is a US Marine on deployment - on balance, it could be worse.

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[Android phone -> LDAC -> BTR5 -> L30 -> DT880-250]

6 hours in and I'm happy so far - about the only initial impression is that the word 'smooth' in other folks' posts is exactly what I'm hearing. Its a cool day here but the L30 is barely even warm to the touch - I doubt that I would have been so fortunate if I had plumbed for the Heresy. No question that a more powerful source would coax more output from the L30 but right now I just want to get to the point where it's just another benign electronic device in my bedroom.

44 year Springsteen fan [1976-2020] - looking forward to the next 40

Rough estimate is now around the 50 hour mark - as a HPA and a pre into my little speaker amp - and I have zero complaints so I'll return to logging in every few months just to see where the goalposts are in this crazy hobby

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I voted with my wallet despite the warnings - the L30 is cheaper than both the Atom and the Heresy here in Oz. The reseller has assured me that their stock are 'brand new' from Topping, and given the impact CNY has on deliveries from sources outside Australia, I wasn't about to argue. Delivery times are a crapshoot here in the Top End, but 27 deg C and our sole active COVID case is a US Marine on deployment - on balance, it could be worse.

I paid $180 AUD from JDS for my Atom last year - how much did you pay for the L30? Am waiting for the blue one I think

I paid $180 AUD from JDS for my Atom last year - how much did you pay for the L30? Am waiting for the blue one I think

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219 AUD shipped seems steep but I'm happy - ordered Monday and had it by Friday [express shipping], well packed and I've had zero problems to date. By contrast, I'm still waiting for the geniuses at Amazon UK to ship a pair of headphones I ordered 2 weeks ago - I swore I'd never use them again after my last month-long wait but the price was too good to ignore. Going with the local retailer gives me someone I can contact if there is a problem with the amp and it was a no-brainer given that I ordered the amp while most of China was on holiday. FWIW, the ATA markup on Topping is a lot more reasonable than the AUD prices they slap on Schiit gear - their stance is that you're paying for an Australian warranty, so I'll leave it there. If I can give ATA and Minidisc a plug for those who cant get past the prices, both are first class when it comes to answering queries from potential customers re stock or whatever. Many overseas vendors I've dealt with take 48 hours+ to respond and that gets old very quickly.

44 year Springsteen fan [1976-2020] - looking forward to the next 40

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219 AUD shipped seems steep but I'm happy - ordered Monday and had it by Friday [express shipping], well packed and I've had zero problems to date. By contrast, I'm still waiting for the geniuses at Amazon UK to ship a pair of headphones I ordered 2 weeks ago - I swore I'd never use them again after my last month-long wait but the price was too good to ignore. Going with the local retailer gives me someone I can contact if there is a problem with the amp and it was a no-brainer given that I ordered the amp while most of China was on holiday. FWIW, the ATA markup on Topping is a lot more reasonable than the AUD prices they slap on Schiit gear - their stance is that you're paying for an Australian warranty, so I'll leave it there. If I can give ATA and Minidisc a plug for those who cant get past the prices, both are first class when it comes to answering queries from potential customers re stock or whatever. Many overseas vendors I've dealt with take 48 hours+ to respond and that gets old very quickly.

Yeah the Schiit tax is insane I was looking at Lyr3 but ugh, I currently have an Atom amp/Topping D30 DAC but possibly may upgrade since I have some pretty high end headphones now.. [Focal Clear and Denon AH-D9200]

Yeah the Schiit tax is insane I was looking at Lyr3 but ugh, I currently have an Atom amp/Topping D30 DAC but possibly may upgrade since I have some pretty high end headphones now.. [Focal Clear and Denon AH-D9200]

True. Being outside US there are better options, also from China. I upgraded from D30 in emergency soon after receiving it to a $42 Nobsound 8x TDA1387 DAC/HPA. It is portable device, the amp is very basic, but RCA output is surprisingly competent. It gives R2R type of sound, it is important for the music played on acoustic instruments to hear timbre and texture, as it gives a comfort of listening and true enjoyement.

Prices of R2R DACs start higher than Topping supermarket type products. Bifrost 2 is probably the lowest priced Schiit product I am talking about, it pairs well with Lyr3, but considering Australian condition I would rather climb up for Denafrips Ares II [$750] or Audio GD-R-1 [$889]. The later one has I2S interface, it allows an important upgrade path when using PC as a source. My current gear is a Nobsound on the road and Audio GD R2R-11 on my desk driving HD600. For $350 you can't find better value DAC/HPA. When upgrading it would be probably R-28.

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True. Being outside US there are better options, also from China. I upgraded from D30 in emergency soon after receiving it to a $42 Nobsound 8x TDA1387 DAC/HPA. It is portable device, the amp is very basic, but RCA output is surprisingly competent. It gives R2R type of sound, it is important for the music played on acoustic instruments to hear timbre and texture, as it gives a comfort of listening and true enjoyement.
Prices of R2R DACs start higher than Topping supermarket type products. Bifrost 2 is probably the lowest priced Schiit product I am talking about, it pairs well with Lyr3, but considering Australian condition I would rather climb up for Denafrips Ares II [$750] or Audio GD-R-1 [$889]. The later one has I2S interface, it allows an important upgrade path when using PC as a source. My current gear is a Nobsound on the road and Audio GD R2R-11 on my desk driving HD600. For $350 you can't find better value DAC/HPA. When upgrading it would be probably R-28.

Yeah I was eyeing the 28, but also something like an ifi micro for on the go

Poor quality control and it can blow your expensive heaphones. I wouldn't review such things even if someone pays for a job. Not on my headpphones.

Yeah I was eyeing the 28, but also something like an ifi micro for on

Poor quality control and it can blow your expensive heaphones. I wouldn't review such things even if someone pays for a job. Not on my headpphones.

That was fixed,you must not remember when schitt was frying schitt

I reviewed it becuase as far as I got response from the company and everyone around, units with a new serial number have no issues. I also still have my unit up and running, and I did add a disclaimer in the viddy description too
I was considering wehter I should post it or not, but just a heads-up, I filmed the video way before the first person ever had issues with their unit.

Fair enough, thanks. I must add that a company claim of "no issues" is not acceptable. They should clearly state whether updated L30 have built-in ESD protection and DC output protection and how this protection is implemented.

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Fair enough, thanks. I must add that a company claim of "no issues", is not acceptable. They should clearly state whether updated L30 has built-in ESD protection and DC output protection and how this protection is implemented.

They did, it is on ASR.

SMSL M300 Mkii+A90+HD800S/HD6XX/Aeon2 Open
Vanatoo t0

How does it compare with the FiiO A5? I know these two are totally different things, but I'd love the luxury of Using the amp while im in bed.

Could you make the comparison? Thank you

Home: Asus ROG -> Tidal Master -> Hiby FC3 -> Toppig L30 -> Sennheiser HD6XX
Portable: Samsung S20 / Galaxy Tab A -> Tidal Master -> Hiby FC3 -> Fiio A5 -> Fiio FH3

Hi guys, I ordered a Topping L30+D10s stack through AliExpress, which I was planning to use with the AKG K712 Pro that I plan to buy soon. I went with the D10s because I have no need of the extra features of the E30, thought it would be essentially the same and is 30€ cheaper, but apparently the E30 has better soundstage and can sound better with a 5V power supply. So now I am wondering if I screwed this up and what would be the best course of action. Keep the L30 while somehow getting rid of the D10s and search a E30 elsewhere? Add something else to improve this combo? Purchase different headphones?

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Had this little guy with e30 for a short while. The performance at this price is like wth. The combo was not too far away from my ares2 + elise

Are these safe to buy now? Has the exploding headphone issue been fixed?

Are these safe to buy now? Has the exploding headphone issue been fixed?

Topping is always a poor choice. Some might be lured thinking they are saving money at first but Topping are not well designed nor well built. Down the road when your Topping dies you will wish that you had bought a better brand. Why buy a Ford Pinto when you could get a Toyota?

Worst of all, it is hard to settle down with just one. No matter how good I have got it, I just keep yearning for something better.

Topping is always a poor choice. Some might be lured thinking they are saving money at first but Topping are not well designed nor well built. Down the road when your Topping dies you will wish that you had bought a better brand. Why buy a Ford Pinto when you could get a Toyota?

So what are the alternatives here in Ireland where Schiit is too expensive to be viable?

I think topping already fix the issue. I had my replaced unit. It sound really good at this price.

So what are the alternatives here in Ireland where Schiit is too expensive to be viable?

Depending on the headphone used, the other alternatives in this price range that I own are JDS Labs Atom, Monolith Liquid Spark, and Schiit Magni. Otherwise the next large step up from there are used amplifiers from eBay like the Beyerdynamic A20 that can be had for $200 here in the states.

Or if you want tube amplification, and one of the best value purchases I have ever made, is the Darkvoice 336se at $200 new here in the states.

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Worst of all, it is hard to settle down with just one. No matter how good I have got it, I just keep yearning for something better.

Hi, I've recently got Topping D30 DAC and L30 headphone amp. The D30 is working fine and the L30 is also working. However, I have noticed that the 6.35mm [1/4 Inch] jack port of my L30 has a slight give to it when inserting a headphone into the amp or if I push the headphone jack a bit. What I mean is that the headphone port doesn't seem to be solidly attached to the case and is a bit springy or soft and the jack port goes in about 1mm inside when pushed and then comes back to normal position. Here is a very short video of the headphone jack movement I have uploade to OneDrive:

//1drv.ms/v/s!AipIT1N1Kpg_ixzgDOCWfS4LKJl9?e=YJMPKx

There is no disruption or noise on the audio when the jack is pushed but I am not sure of the jack pot is supposed to be like this.

So does anyone else’s 6.35mm [1/4 Inch] jack port do this on their L30 or should I ask for mine to be replaced?

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Hi, I've recently got Topping D30 DAC and L30 headphone amp. The D30 is working fine and the L30 is also working. However, I have noticed that the 6.35mm [1/4 Inch] jack port of my L30 has a slight give to it when inserting a headphone into the amp or if I push the headphone jack a bit. What I mean is that the headphone port doesn't seem to be solidly attached to the case and is a bit springy or soft and the jack port goes in about 1mm inside when pushed and then comes back to normal position. Here is a very short video of the headphone jack movement I have uploade to OneDrive:
//1drv.ms/v/s!AipIT1N1Kpg_ixzgDOCWfS4LKJl9?e=YJMPKx
There is no disruption or noise on the audio when the jack is pushed but I am not sure of the jack pot is supposed to be like this.
So does anyone else’s 6.35mm [1/4 Inch] jack port do this on their L30 or should I ask for mine to be replaced?

Hey, I own two L30 units and both have this "feature", I'd say it's normal.

Hey, I own two L30 units and both have this "feature", I'd say it's normal.

Yeah, people at another forum also mentioned thiers also the same. Furthermore I had a real close look now at the jack port and port itself or the its housing is not moving. The only thing that moves is the actual 6.35mm plug of the headphone. Seems like the plug doesn't go all the way in and there is like a 0.5-0.7mm gap between the shiny ring of port and the plug's hilt [no sure what else to call it lol] so there is still a tiny bit more left of the plug that can be pushed inside which gets push out by the metal strip inside the port. The same thing happens with the included 3.5mm to 6.35mm adapter plug. So it doesn't look like the 6.35mm port itself is moving but looked like it was due to the shadow from the plug being moved in caused the shiny ring on the port to appear as if it was moving but only the plug itself it moving in a bit when pushed.

It seems that the port is securely attached to the PCB and thus no defect I think.

Depending on the headphone used, the other alternatives in this price range that I own are JDS Labs Atom, Monolith Liquid Spark, and Schiit Magni. Otherwise the next large step up from there are used amplifiers from eBay like the Beyerdynamic A20 that can be had for $200 here in the states.
Or if you want tube amplification, and one of the best value purchases I have ever made, is the Darkvoice 336se at $200 new here in the states.

Why recommend Schiit when they have a track record for frying headphones too?

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Worst of all, it is hard to settle down with just one. No matter how good I have got it, I just keep yearning for something better.

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Why recommend Schiit when they have a track record for frying headphones too?

You are referring to eleven years ago with NwAvGuy leading the way. Do you know about Schiit amplifiers frying headphones since then? Please share.
//www.head-fi.org/threads/sch...robable-start-up.701900/page-52#post-10463052 To answer your question, I will give you three reasons. 1. Schiit has improved on their amplifiers. The quality is pretty good for what you pay. If you change the knob on your Topping amplifier it removes the potentiometer from the board and breaks your amplifier. 2. Schiit has someone that you can communicate with if you have a problem. Topping does not have anyone to speak with. Instead Topping only has someone on another forum that claims that he is only an intern when things go bad. And, then when they don't like what you say on said forum, they delete and censor your posts.

Here is Jude's take on censorship: //www.head-fi.org/threads/the...preciation-thread.584763/page-11#post-8144761

3. Schiit also has a track record of taking care of the customers that had headphones fried. I tried to get compensation for my headphones when Topping fried them with their poorly designed and poorly made ampliFire. It was a nightmare and the worst experience I have ever had with any product period. Topping is my least favorite brand.

As you can see, Topping is nowhere near what you get from Schiit. I have around forty or fifty headphone amplifiers right now and six of them are Schiit. They are of decent quality and were well worth every cent that I paid for them. I will never purchase anything Topping now that I have had to live the nightmare of dealing with them. I would instead recommend other brands such as Schiit, Ray Samuels, Headamp, Beyerdynamic, JDS Labs, Monoprice, Singxer, Little Dot, DarkVoice or pretty much anything else over Topping.

Worst of all, it is hard to settle down with just one. No matter how good I have got it, I just keep yearning for something better.

Fair enough.

I can recommend JDS Atom though, it has really good customer service, in fact I'm listening to it right now. But Schiit products... are not something I would recommend. Heard too many reports of headphones being fried, but to Schiit's credit they do reimburse the headphones if you can prove that.

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Fair enough.
I can recommend JDS Atom though, it has really good customer service, in fact I'm listening to it right now. But Schiit products... not something I would recommend.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT LINK! I had no idea that had transpired as I have been staying away from that forum after they censored all of my posts criticizing Topping. . I too had a problem with Schiit Heresy burning up a pair of cheap headphones early when the amplifier first came out but I wrote it off as a freak accident. I did not hear of anyone else having a problem with the Schiit Heresy. I contacted Schiit and Schiit said that they would look at it but I that I would have to pay for shipping. It did not seem worthwhile on a cheap $100 amplifier to pay $20 shipping. And, I bought it B-stock so they would not let me upgrade anyway. Plus, why would anyone send in an amplifier to get the same amp if it has a problem burning up headphones? So in the end I just forgot about the whole thing. I do appreciate that they at least offered to look at it.

Update: Schiit HAS paid for my shipping the amplifier back to them and a refund IS on it’s way back to me. I take back all that I said about their customer service.

When I shared a link from that same forum that criticized Topping here on Head-fi, it was deleted/censored. The reason given was that I am not allowed to post things about what happens in other forums. This is very convenient for Topping as they don't have to address issues with their customers by hiding behind this as they use that forum for dealing with their customers. This is a very shady underhanded way of dealing with customers. I am shocked by the way they get away with this.

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Worst of all, it is hard to settle down with just one. No matter how good I have got it, I just keep yearning for something better.

When I shared a link from that same forum that criticized Topping here on Head-fi, it was deleted/censored. The reason given was that I am not allowed to post things about what happens in other forums. This is very convenient for Topping as they don't have to address issues with their customers by hiding behind this as they use that forum for dealing with their customers. This is a very shady underhanded way of dealing with customers. I am shocked by the way they get away with this.

It was your mistake, so mods took it as an excuse. I didn't made such mistake, so my posts with technical details about A90 being defective were censored with explanation "no one else makes such claim". Toping is a sponsor and mods are frequently in difficult situation, I do understand. Moderation is there, but civilised. On the other [strictly technical] forum, my arguments were understood clearly, so in result the entire thread titled like this: "Topping dual sealed SMPS for symmetric power good or wrong?" had been deleted without any notification. It is just a digression. Coming back to a topic. You should understand what makes Topping amps fail. With such knowledge you can find out whether they are working on fixing a problem, or just trying to surpress a criticism. In this case, safety check up points are: 1. ESD protection of all inputs. Present or missing? If missing, then it is sensitive to a failure. The internal IC protection is insufficient, it must be supplemented with external devices. A failure can trigger what is described in #2.

2. DC protection of outputs. Present or missing? If missing, then a failure of one IC can damage your headphones. Some might argue: "nope, these opamps have individual output protection". This is true somehow, but in the case of individual opamps. In these designs [A90/L30] multiple amp chips are coupled together, individual chip protection do not work anymore. If you don't see external DC protection devices on the PCB, stay away, stay safe.

Can anyone advise me on what I can do to reduce the risk of my L30 killing my headphones?

Can anyone advise me on what I can do to reduce the risk of my L30 killing my headphones?

Never hot plug RCA cables. Power off your source device and your amp [L30/A90] before connecting or disconnecting cables, reducing volume is not enough. If you have lightning in your area, power it off [it is also valid for any audio equipment]. If you have power outages in your area, Topping is a risk.

Never hot plug RCA cables. Power off your source device and your amp [L30/A90] before connecting or disconnecting cables, reducing volume is not enough. If you have lightning in your area, power it off [it is also valid for any audio equipment]. If you have power outages in your area, Topping is a risk.

Thanks! No other measures to be taken/anything else to be aware of?

Can anyone advise me on what I can do to reduce the risk of my L30 killing my headphones?

What serial number is yours? If 2012 or higher, you have nothing to worry about.

If your serial number is lower and you bought from an authorized reseller, they can exchange for you. Contact them.

Desktop: Elear/X3 | Atom and Sonata HD Pro | PSB Imagine XB | ICEpower ICE125ASX2 amp

What serial number is yours? If 2012 or higher, you have nothing to worry about.
If your serial number is lower and you bought from an authorized reseller, they can exchange for you. Contact them.

Mine is secondhand. That's why I'm here to ask for help.

Can anyone advise me on what I can do to reduce the risk of my L30 killing my headphones?

Older L30’s [including my own] could be a problem and concern. Basically, something as silly as static build-up/discharge could cause damage. In my case, I grounded L30’s enclosure to outlet’s ground terminal for some peace of mind. I could return it…… but it will stay here to remind me why I should stay clear from these “measurements overachievers”. Lol

What serial number is yours? If 2012 or higher, you have nothing to worry about.

I don't know what they told you, but there is still no ESD /DC-out protection.
Lets say, it was very bad, but it is no good.

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Do you guys think Topping will be releasing a new reiteration of L30 anytime soon? Probably an L30s?

Do you guys think Topping will be releasing a new reiteration of L30 anytime soon? Probably an L30s?

Probably not. The L30 does everything a budget, simple device needs to do [aside from the whole headphone-frying thing on early units].

Two Channel: Rega Planar 2 / Nakamichi MB-10 / Burson Funk / NAD 3020e / Elac Debut B6.2 / Klipsch RP500m
Cans: Grado GH-1 / Grado SR325 x / Grado Hemp / Turbulent X Custom Grado / Sennheiser HD600 / Sennheiser HD650 / Sennheiser HD800s / Meze 99 Classics / Audeze Mobius / Audeze Sine DX / Focal Clear / Dan Clark Audio Aeon 2 Noire / Drop Panda / Modded Beyerdynamic T70p with gaming boom mic
Amps/DACs: Questyle CMA600i / Schiit Asgard 3 Multibit / Schiit Bifrost 2 / Burson Playmate 2 / Schiit Jotunheim 2 / Bottlehead Crack + Speedball / Hagerman Tuba
IEMs: Craft Ears Craft Four / Grado GR10 / Kinera Skuld / Drop + JVC FWX1

Do you guys think Topping will be releasing a new reiteration of L30 anytime soon? Probably an L30s?

What's there to improve? It is easily arguable to be noise and distortion-free within the range of human hearing. And it will drive 99% of headphones. And people looking to drive one of those few rare headphones it won't are probably not looking for a device in this budget range.

Desktop: Elear/X3 | Atom and Sonata HD Pro | PSB Imagine XB | ICEpower ICE125ASX2 amp

I doubt that there will be a refresh, but I'm sure ShenzhenAudio will keep us in the loop. Mine is still working perfectly, and that's all I ask of it - I've been down the rabbit hole too many times with incremental upgrades that have been hyped to death on HF and elsewhere.

44 year Springsteen fan [1976-2020] - looking forward to the next 40

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Did someone compare Topping L30 and JDS Lab Amp+. I am planning to buy a one. In a fix between these two. Can someone help me out?

Did someone compare Topping L30 and JDS Lab Amp+. I am planning to buy a one. In a fix between these two. Can someone help me out?

I have owned the JDS Labs Atom and the Topping L30. I now own two JDS Labs Atom amplifiers because it is well made. I returned the Topping because I don't like to keep garbage. JDS Labs Atom characteristics that still apply to the plus. You can upgrade the knob. It sounds clean and powerful. JDS Labs is an honest company and a pleasure to communicate with. The Atom has two switchable inputs. Topping L30 If you upgrade the knob, you have likely destroyed the circuit board. It makes loud popping noises as your headphone driver burns up. The company is the worst to deal with and is deceitful. Topping makes garbage. I won't call others dumb that purchase ampliFires made by Topping. At least not in front of them.

I will wait until they leave the room.

Worst of all, it is hard to settle down with just one. No matter how good I have got it, I just keep yearning for something better.

I have owned the JDS Labs Atom and the Topping L30. I now own two JDS Labs Atom amplifiers because it is well made. I returned the Topping because I don't like to keep garbage. JDS Labs Atom characteristics that still apply to the plus. You can upgrade the knob. It sounds clean and powerful. JDS Labs is an honest company and a pleasure to communicate with. The Atom has two switchable inputs. Topping L30 If you upgrade the knob, you have likely destroyed the circuit board. It makes loud popping noises as your headphone driver burns up. The company is the worst to deal with and is deceitful. Topping makes garbage. I won't call others dumb that purchase ampliFires made by Topping. At least not in front of them.
I will wait until they leave the room.

You make no sense,

You are referring to eleven years ago with NwAvGuy leading the way. Do you know about Schiit amplifiers frying headphones since then? Please share.
//www.head-fi.org/threads/sch...robable-start-up.701900/page-52#post-10463052 To answer your question, I will give you three reasons. 1. Schiit has improved on their amplifiers. The quality is pretty good for what you pay. If you change the knob on your Topping amplifier it removes the potentiometer from the board and breaks your amplifier. 2. Schiit has someone that you can communicate with if you have a problem. Topping does not have anyone to speak with. Instead Topping only has someone on another forum that claims that he is only an intern when things go bad. And, then when they don't like what you say on said forum, they delete and censor your posts.
Here is Jude's take on censorship: //www.head-fi.org/threads/the...preciation-thread.584763/page-11#post-8144761
3. Schiit also has a track record of taking care of the customers that had headphones fried. I tried to get compensation for my headphones when Topping fried them with their poorly designed and poorly made ampliFire. It was a nightmare and the worst experience I have ever had with any product period. Topping is my least favorite brand.
As you can see, Topping is nowhere near what you get from Schiit. I have around forty or fifty headphone amplifiers right now and six of them are Schiit. They are of decent quality and were well worth every cent that I paid for them. I will never purchase anything Topping now that I have had to live the nightmare of dealing with them. I would instead recommend other brands such as Schiit, Ray Samuels, Headamp, Beyerdynamic, JDS Labs, Monoprice, Singxer, Little Dot, DarkVoice or pretty much anything else over Topping.

They stilled fried them,1 year 10 years make no difference, you make no sense, now if you have a preference than cool.

My Topping has served me flawlessly in the6 orso months that I've owned it but the original Atom was also a Giant killer fwir - flip a coin

44 year Springsteen fan [1976-2020] - looking forward to the next 40

Topping L30 If you upgrade the knob, you have likely destroyed the circuit board. It makes loud popping noises as your headphone driver burns up. The company is the worst to deal with and is deceitful.
Topping makes garbage.

Deceitful company, true. Had my own experience with a DAC.
As for a knob, it was assembled using a vice or hammer. A pot bearing is already damaged during the assembly, it is why it has a free play. This is a comment from the hourse mouth on the ASR.

Is this still a competitive priced AMP for £150? Pairing with smsl Sanskrit 10th mk2. Don't need balanced mode

Is this still a competitive priced AMP for £150? Pairing with smsl Sanskrit 10th mk2. Don't need balanced mode

It is an analytical amp which is quite neutral. Measurements are stellar, but measurements are of course not everything. I like the L30 personally, as it is good for assessing gear without coloring the music, but there are definitely more "musical" amps out there.

It has 3 gain switches so it is suitable for highly sensitive multi BA IEMs all the way to power hungry planars. The earlier batches had a non grounded amp where ESD could potentially damage connected headphones/IEMs, but they have fixed it since the january 2021 batches.

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Topping A90 & Burson Audio FUNK Deluxe + Topping E50 + HiFiMAN Sundara & Beyerdynamic DT 1990 Pro [Dekoni Elite Velour] - Burson Audio Conductor 3X Performance for special moments.

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The earlier batches had a non grounded amp where ESD could potentially damage connected headphones/IEMs, but they have fixed it since the january 2021 batches.

There is still no ESD protection and output DC protection [inside TPA chip] can be defeated. It means that it can still blew your expensive HP's. Extremely low input impedance do not replace ESD protection devices and give interconnectivity problems.

Yeah, don't be fooled by Topping. This and their other amplifires are garbage. Spend a little more and get an amp brand that doesn't suck. I recommend RebelAmp if you can afford it $500.

Worst of all, it is hard to settle down with just one. No matter how good I have got it, I just keep yearning for something better.

There is still no ESD protection and output DC protection [inside TPA chip] can be defeated. It means that it can still blew your expensive HP's. Extremely low input impedance do not replace ESD protection devices and give interconnectivity problems.

Interesting. I thought the fault had been fixed for serial numbers from 2011 down? It's what put me off before tbh. I've bought a set of akg k701 which I got cheap on Amazon warehouse as I've been wanting to try them for years... Turns out I love them. I've been using a Music Fidelity AMP which drives them easily but it's a bit too coloured. I was after something more neutral. I've set £150 as budget.

I was tempted to get the iFi Audio Zen Can too

Interesting. I thought the fault had been fixed for serial numbers from 2011 down? It's what put me off before tbh.

This is what they say. Good you found a different amp.

This is what they say. Good you found a different amp.

So stay clear of it then!!!

I haven't found a different amp yet. That's why I'm asking bout it.

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