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By and large, there is not much difference between YN460-II и YN460... If possible, take the second version because of the diffuser cap and slightly higher power. I used the Yongnuo Speedlite YN460 with ComTrig T320 radio trigger and radio trigger without any problems Yongnuo RF-602 / N on Nikon cameras [D80, D700], Canon [350D] and Pentax [K-5] If you are looking for a low-cost flash with automatic TTL mode, I recommend looking at YN468-II.
The cheapest is to buy Yongnuo flashes at aliexpress.
Conclusions: The Yongnuo Speedlite YN460 is a simple high-powered flash suitable for photographers who have experience with manual flash controls. The flash is suitable for Nikon, Pentax [no fixed flash on camera] and Canon cameras. Description of YN460 can be found in the review of its modification - YN460-II.
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I don't know if some of you guys are familiar with this flash, it's nice and cheap third-party that I'm using with my Sony A200 and ut works well for it's money.
No the thing is that I can't get it synchronized on higher shutter speeds than 1/200. When I try to shoot with, 1/320 let's say, the the upper part of the image becomes pitch black and it keeps doing that progressively while I increase my shutter speed until the whole image becomes black. Does anyone knows what I'm trying to say here?:] What may be the problem; I'm kinda new to flash photography. Thank you!
slowhands • Veteran Member • Posts: 5,470
Re: Yongnuo YN460-II Speedlite
In reply to bogdabo • Dec 13, 2010
What does your Sony camera say is the MAX SYNC SPEED of your specific camera? [I'm not familiar with your specific camera]
Generally, when using flash, you must limit the shutter speed of your camera to the MAX SYNC speed or slower to avoid exactly what you are seeing.
Canon EOS 40D Canon EOS 350D Canon EOS 7D
OP bogdabo • Regular Member • Posts: 166
Re: Yongnuo YN460-II Speedlite
I didn't thought of searching into that, thanks. It says that it syncs at 1/160, but I've shot at 1/200 too, with good results.
I think it's pretty clear now, hope there isn't some other thing I need to bother with. Thank you!
Enzyme01 • Forum Member • Posts: 96
Re: Yongnuo YN460-II Speedlite
In reply to bogdabo • Dec 13, 2010
Hi Bogdabo
Do you really need a higher sync speed? If you’re trying to freeze movement then you might be better off changing the way you are thinking about it.
I’ve been on a steep learning curve about stopping motion with flashes. I’m trying to capture dancers in motion without any motion blur – I assume that you are also after freezing motion as well, which is why you are after a higher sync speed for your flash. I hope I’m not telling you stuff you already know, but here is freezing motion 101 as I understand it:
Under natural light you freeze motion by increasing the shutter speed: 1/1000th of a second will do a better job than 1/250th. You know this already.
Under flashes it is the flash duration that freezes motion, not the shutter speed. 1/100th of a second or 1/200th of a second doesn’t really matter too much, it is how quickly your flash discharges its light that is important. It took me a little while to get my head around this point, and I had to go off and do some testing to prove it to myself, but it is true. You can probably freeze the motion you want with your flash at 1/160 or 1/200 shutter speed, but you may need to shoot in manual mode and you may have to shoot at a reduced power.
I tested this on the weekend by spinning a bicycle wheel up to 30 km/h and then tried different flash settings on my 580EXII to freeze the motion. First I used high speed sync mode and shot at 1/1000th of a second. The motion blur was very apparent. Then I set the shutter speed down to 1/250th of a second and put the flash in manual mode and took shots progressively stepping back the power. At 1/8 power motion blur was pretty good, and at 1/16 it was absolutely perfect. The shot taken at 1/250th of a second with flash at 1/16 did a MASSIVELY better job at stopping motion than the 1/1000 speed shot. I suggest that you try a similar exercise: Set your camera to 1/160 or 1/200 and put the flash in manual. Find something you can spin as your test subject and take a number of test shots, progressively reducing the power on the flash as you go. You should see the motion stopping improve as the flash power decreases. [Note: make sure there is not too much ambient light for the test]
Enzyme01 • Forum Member • Posts: 96
Re: Yongnuo YN460-II Speedlite
In reply to bogdabo • Dec 14, 2010
Just to add a bit more about what the problem is with the dark band you saw on your images when you go above 1/200.
This is an issue with all cameras at or around 1/250. You just need to understand what is happening, and that the flash will only fire once the shutter is fully open.
The usual order of events for flash firing is as follows:
1. Shutter starts to open 2. Shutter is fully open 3. Flash fires 4. Shutter starts to close 5. Shutter is fully closed.
But once you go above a certain speed, usually around 1/250 that order gets messed up. The shutter is open for such a short time that it has to start closing before it has fully opened. The order goes something like this:
1. Shutter starts to open 2. Shutter starts to close 3. Shutter is fully open 4. Flash fires 5. Shutter is fully closed
The dark band you see is the shutter closing and obscuring the sensor at the moment the flash fires. The band gets bigger as you increase the speed because the shutter is closing faster and obscuring more of the sensor.
There are two ways around this problem:
Option 1: Use High Speed Sync [also known as FP mode] on the flash to increase the shutter speed above 1/250 up to the limit of your camera. This is a feature of speedlite type flashes. I’m not sure if the YN460 has this feature or not – my quick look made me think it probably doesn’t but I’m not sure. Rather than one single flash it emits a series of many lesser flashes as the shutter is opening and closing. Each of the multiple flashes will be partially obscured by the shutter, but it works out evenly and you don’t get any bands:
Option 2: Stay below 1/250 shutter speed, but freeze motion with a fast flash rather than a fast shutter speed. This was what I talked about in my previous post [the flash dissipates faster with reduced power, hence reducing power improves motion stopping]
I’ve been using option 1 for months, and have only just discovered option 2. I think option 2 will be my preference from now on. I will probably still use high speed sync occasionally because it is quicker to setup and get right, but the results from option 2 are far superior when you really want to stop the motion.
OP bogdabo • Regular Member • Posts: 166
Re: Yongnuo YN460-II Speedlite
In reply to Enzyme01 • Dec 14, 2010
WOW! Enzyme, that's a whole lot of info there, I can't thank you enough!!
First of all, you are right, my flash doesn't have high speed sync, I am only using it on fully manual, mostly on it's lowest power, to get it to fire as quickly as it can.
No, I knew that on natural light, a 1/1000 shutter speed is optimal for freezing movement, but you know you don't always have the chance to use this speed, so I wanted to compensate with my flash, but I was worried of the slow sync speed.
Now you really got me intrigued with the bike test, I'm going to try it myself, just to know what shutter speed/flash power is the best in freezing movement.
The flash is not to high-tech, but for the money I paid for it, it does a pretty good job. Thanks a lot, again, for the advice! Have a great week shooting:] Best, Bogdan
COULDBE2 • Regular Member • Posts: 175
Re: Yongnuo YN460-II Speedlite
In reply to Enzyme01 • Dec 14, 2010
Thanks for the mini lesson. Will be very helpful, as I do have flash challenges. Mike
Enzyme01 • Forum Member • Posts: 96
Re: Yongnuo YN460-II Speedlite
In reply to COULDBE2 • Dec 15, 2010
I started to doubt the advice I gave. I wasn't sure that just because that worked for my 580EXII didn't mean it was going to work with your yn-460.
I started learning about this stuff just a couple of weeks ago when I started a thread on how to freeze motion with strobes [ //forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1025&thread=37117884 ] , and that I was on the verge of ordering some Alien Bee strobes. I learned a few things from that thread: Firstly it is the flash durtion and not the shutter speed that stops motion with flash photography. [ I can now repeat that and pretend to be knowledgable ] Secondly, it is very variable between flashes. I shouldn't buy an Alien Bee flash because their flash duration too long to stop motion. I need to get an Einstein instead. That made me wonder about the yn-460 duration - was it fast or slow?
I did a quick google search on yn-460 flash duration, and I think it is pretty fast. Buried down in this link [ //speedlights.net/2010/12/10/yongnuo-yn460-ii-specs-and-test-results/ ] it says that at full power the flash duration if 1/435th of a second - and that is well above average. The table below that gives speeds as the output is reduced: 1/1070th of a second at 1/2 power and so on. In short - I think your yn-460 should be able to do a really good job stopping motion. If you do some testing let me know what you find out.
There was another recent thread on the subject here: //forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1025&thread=37106221
OP bogdabo • Regular Member • Posts: 166
Re: Yongnuo YN460-II Speedlite
In reply to Enzyme01 • Dec 15, 2010
at full power the flash duration if 1/435th of a second - and that is well above average. The table below that gives speeds as the output is reduced: 1/1070th of a second at 1/2 power
I think 1/1070 it's more than enough for high speed foto, and considering that it will fire even faster at the lowest power output, It's starting to look like a pretty good flashgun I'll do some more research into that and the test you told me about, just to be sure. Thanks anyway for the info! Good piece of knowledge here:] All the best! Bogdan
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